Can't you just see building a new kitchen around this?
I recently actually did a new kitchen built around an old stove very much like this one.
FUN!
This one is for sale on StoveList.com. for $3,500 OBO.
Or this one:
$ 350.00 USD 1933 Oxford Universal
I understand there is still a great place in Oakland (CA) to have old stoves refurbished to like new condition. Apple Classic Stoves, they are on Myrtle Street.
The Gaggenau Lift Oven has been out for a while, so it's nothing new. But this video from This Old House's review of the 2008 Builder's Show IS compelling...and they even let me TAKE it!
Here is another European company bringing us refrigerators in the sizes Americans will buy.
Liebherr's new french door model will be introduced at KBIS in April.
Peggy
Liebherr-Export AG
CS 2062 Liebherr announces the important addition to their product line – the 2062 Series of 36” Energy Star rated refrigerators in freestanding, stainless integrated and fully-integrated models. Highlights include: French doors for better clearance; double freezer drawers with new air flow system; dual refrigeration with variable speed compressors for refrigerator & freezer; unique LED light columns and drawer LED illumination, and Glass Line 6 mm thick shelving that withstands up to 180 lbs.
The new 24” convection oven provides better access to the interior of the oven due to side opening door. The Booster function will preheat the oven to 400F in less than 5 minutes. The 3rd heating element that surrounds the 2-speed fan circulates pre-heated air around the oven for more even distribution of heat and faster cooking. It features a Stainless Steel finish with retractable controls, several cooking programs, a digital display panel, a ventilated steam outlet and child safety lock.
Below is part of a post started over on This Old House Discussions that I would like to pull over here for further discussion.
The discussion there was about a particular brand of hood, but expanded into the functionality of hoods in general and a particular way of recessing a hood liner into attic space above a ceiling.
I wrote:
If you have attic space above the kitchen, then putting a larger vent hood recessed into the ceiling is another viable alternative that can cost considerably less than a fancy hood.
for an example of how this looks (the hood is toward the end of a slide show on the remodel of Noel & Barbara Commins' kitchen in 2006).
It is an old concept brought into the 21st Century. Many old Victorian homes in San Francisco had convective skylights placed over the old range in the kitchen.
The opening needs to be framed off with double joists like a stairway.
Noel, who is a contractor, then mounted a Best hood insert in the opening. It even has a remote control!
I've been meaning to blog on this...Noel sent me all the details on the installation. Need to get to it...
When I designed Noel and Barbara's kitchen, with a cooktop on a peninsula, I planned an island hood over it. Noel was the one who came up with this idea, so I must give him credit.
In his case the installation was quite complex because there was a header (the top of a wide doorway), separating the kitchen from the breakfast nook, about six inches behind the hood location. That header had to be removed and the structure supported to install the hood in the ceiling.
Here is an elevation of the cooktop peninsula with the hood so you can see the difficulty.
Here is a side view showing how close the hood would have been to the header:
Now, the entire Commins family is TALL, so the hood hanging down between the kitchen and the nook bothered them enough that Noel gave the situation a lot of thought. That was when he decided that removing the header and opening up the ceiling, with all the attendant headaches in structural modifications would be worth the effort.
So he took out the header and wall separating the kitchen and nook, modified the structure and built this:
He used a Best PIK Series liner, (drawings below). Ingeniously, he also created a sheetrock recess in the ceiling to feed into the too-small liner to make the entire hood bigger. With a 100" ceiling height in the room the capture area should be about 13" wider and longer than the 30"x21" cooktop below (It is established that a column of smoke and steam rising off a pot on the cooktop spreads 3" for every 30" it rises - So 100" minus 36" divided by 30" times 3"). Without the sheetrock recess, the hood liner itself would have to be at minimum 43"x34". The recess also makes the metal liner in the ceiling less visible and obtrusive. Two birds with one stone!
Here is Noel's explanation of how it works for them:
"I choose BEST 42" liner with a big blower in the attic space. Discharge (10") is thru a chimney bonnet. Wow, It really works to clear the kitchen of any smoke. Also, on hot still days I run the vent to help cross ventilate the house. The 3 down lights are a pleasant addition. The whole unit is controlled by a factory supplied remote switch panel.
The unit is PIK 45. The rheostat controls motor only - lights are either on or off. The remote control allows the unit to run from "whisper quiet to serious". Because the motor is at least 10' away from the unit there is no noise from it at all. What you hear is the whoosh of air at the high speeds, it is silent at low speeds.
My house was ideally suited for the installation. Accessible attic with stand up room. The motor unit is large - about 24" cube size - rather unbelievable! However, when it is married to the 10" ducting every thing looks right. The unit requires a separate 15Amp circuit.
Today I received this email from a reader on TOH Discussions:
Hello, I am remodeling a kitchen and installing a 36" pro cooktop with 6 burners (Thermador).
On an advice site you wrote about a recessed hood (Noel & Barbara Commins' kitchen in 2006). I wonder is this possible for my home. Currently we are about to spend $3600.00 on a 900 cfm Best by Broan hood with a remote blower. we have 9' ceilings with an attic above the cooktop. The cooktop will be on an island.
If you think this is possible where do I start? We have a contractor that could install with specifications. Do you have specs?
Please Help! Asha
Here is my response:
Thanks for your question Asha.
There are no specs for such an installation, other than heading off the ceiling joists like a stairwell opening to fit the size of the hood insert.
With nine foot ceilings you will want to buy the largest insert you can find because the steam and smoke column spreads as it rises. Ideally, with a 36x24 pro cooktop, the ceiling recess and insert would be about 15" larger, or minimum 51x39.
This is a structural modification to your home, since the ceiling joists hold your house together laterally. As such, your building department will likely want engineering drawings showing how the integrity of the structure will be maintained.
Call them and explain what you want to do and ask if they will require engineering. That should be your first step after you find the hood insert you want to use and know the size needed for the opening.
An inspection of the attic area will tell you if there are any upright framing members (going up to the rafters above) bearing on the joist sections to be removed.
Some homes have truss assemblies instead of rafters and joists. Trusses have many members going vertically on angles and are quite structural. These MUST be modified by a licensed engineer because cutting any portion compromises the structure of the entire assembly.
Mouldings applied around the finished opening can complete the installation, or you can do it clean the way Noel did in the photograph above.
Obviously there are electrical components as well. Noel's insert has a remote control, or you can do a switch on the side of your island.
Insulating the structure on the attic side is also a consideration.
I can do such drawings for you, but you will still need the engineer's drawings as well as I am not an engineer.
Show this post to your contractor and he will likely be able to handle it for you.
If you still need my help, give me a call.
Such an installation is a great way to have a well-functioning ventilation system without having a hood hanging down.
The same end can also be achieved by building an island sized soffitt over your island and recessing the hood insert into that. With nine foot ceilings you have room to do that as well and would not have to deal with the engineering aspects of breaking into the attic space.
Good luck and thanks for inspiring me to finish this thread!
